The Abbey of Aves

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Hazaa! When I got home from work today, I took the clamps off and "tested" the bond by lightly prying the two hull pieces apart, or at least attempting to. Before, with just the 5 minute epoxy, the same if not less amount of pressure was enough to instantly separate the two halves. But now, it holds firm! I even let the plastic scrap tool I used to apply the Aves stick to the throw away palette and it broke before the bond gave way. This stuff is truly amazing! :shock:
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How safe is the safety solvent? I mix Aves with my bare hands, is the solvent OK for bare finger usage? The bottle suggests otherwise.
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Don't know how safe, but I have been using my bare fingers.

On another question.....

Do you have to wait for the aves to harden completely before you either prime or paint or can you just go for it?
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You can paint over uncured epoxy. I'd give it an hour to mostly harden, though. You can also tint the epoxy with India Inks....
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I've made it pretty dark with no problems.
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OK, just got my 1st ever 1lb pack of Aves Epoxy Sculpt....

Here's hoping! :|
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Is this stuff similar to Magic Sculpt and Magic Smooth?
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Thomas E. Johnson wrote:Is this stuff similar to Magic Sculpt and Magic Smooth?
Similar to MagicSculpt. Much less goopy than MagicSmooth.
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Yep, almost *just like* Magic Sculpt. Extremely similar in overall properties, techniques, and behavior.

Now, Magic Smooth has (for me) a much steeper learning curve and can make a hideous, gooey mess real fast. But the end results for it have been worth it.
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Joseph C. Brown wrote:Yep, almost *just like* Magic Sculpt. Extremely similar in overall properties, techniques, and behavior.

Now, Magic Smooth has (for me) a much steeper learning curve and can make a hideous, gooey mess real fast. But the end results for it have been worth it.
I have both Magic Sculpt and Magic Smooth. I also find they make pretty good structural adhesives as well.
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I love using Aves because I can form it into shapes much easier than putty. I am building a TOS-E and I used it to shape the dorsal so that I could make the saucer sit at a 90 degree angle like it should be. Also on the sides of the secondary hull where the top and bottom halves do not align properly. Aves is a wonderful product, and I am glad that this thread was here to turn me on to it.

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TD1701 wrote:I love using Aves because I can form it into shapes much easier than putty. I am building a TOS-E and I used it to shape the dorsal so that I could make the saucer sit at a 90 degree angle like it should be. Also on the sides of the secondary hull where the top and bottom halves do not align properly. Aves is a wonderful product, and I am glad that this thread was here to turn me on to it.

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Once again I come before my brethren to sing the praises of the Most Holy Aves

Constructing a P-38J for a group build on another forum

Gaps between some parts up to 2mm wide - could fly an X-Wing through them

The Blessed Apoxie Paste was the prime material to fill said gaps

Apply with a sculpting tool, smooth and remove excess with alcohol dampened Q-Tip

The gaps were filled, the close detail retained and all was right in the world

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I just threw out my tube of Squadron putty, of which I am ashamed to say I used half of. Now in search of a local source of AVES. More news later . . .
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If you can't find it locally, the SSM store sells it.
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TER-OR wrote:If you can't find it locally, the SSM store sells it.
Just bought a pound of the good stuff from the SSM store. Will note how it turns out in the forums.
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Does the Aves sand easier than Magic Sculpt? I had to sand a lot of it last night and man was it tough.
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Verily the most Holy Aves doth sand nicely!

I've used Sculpt to build up the Linear Accelerator on the AMT-TOS, and Paste to fill gaps

Both sand/file quite easily and smoothly - try it, you will not be disappointed

After my work with both, I tossed my remaining Squadron White, Milliput White and Milliput Gray in the trash - nothing but Aves for me from here-on-out
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Is it softer that Magic Sculpt, and therefore easier to work into shape? Magic sculpt seems very tough to work.
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Apoxie Sculpt is probably a little less stiff and it isn't as apt to "spring back" like Magic Sculpt is - that from my one try with MS before tossing it - water dampened sculpting tools work wonders to form it - and a little water mixed will make it even softer, but will affect the drying time and final hardness

Apoxie Paste is about the consistency of Vaseline - which makes it ideal for filling gaps, but less so for creating new items whole-sale

Both are relatively easy to finalize the shapes with file/sandpaper once dry
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I haven't seen "Apoxie Paste" in any online or brick and mortar store. Can you describe it a bit more to me, and/or link me to a detailed product description? This stuff sounds more like what I'm looking for.
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Product description from the 'horses mouth'

http://www.avesstudio.com/Products/Apox ... paste.html

Some more info and a place to order from

http://sculptingstudio.com/index.php?ta ... egory_id=5

Neither of the two LHS's here carry the Paste either, they do have Sculpt and Clay

John and Linda use to carry it in the store, that's where I got mine from - maybe ask them why it's not available anymore from SSM
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I see that I can order the Sculpt in 4 pound quantities from a few places. Doesn't seem they sell the Paste in that quantity though, at least not that I can find.
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I have never used the paste.

What would you use it for? What sort of applications?
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starmanmm wrote:I have never used the paste.

What would you use it for? What sort of applications?
Anyplace you'd use a thin putty - seams, gaps, etc

The Paste is great for the smaller gaps that the Sculpt would have problems working into - use a thin-tip spatula or even a toothpick to apply

Between the Sculpt and the Paste, you have everything you need for any task - from scratch-building to modifying to smoothing
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Ok.

On another point... how do you store either type of aves? Cool dark place or in the fridge?
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I keep mine on the same shelf I keep my glues - just make sure the lids are tight
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If I'm not going to be using it for some time I toss it in the freezer.

Otherwise it's on the modeling bench.
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Well, I can pretty much write Aves off my list. No online shops are willing to ship to my country :(

But I did receive my magic sculpt yesterday ... tried it out on my RM Colonial Viper and compared it to the Tamiya putty I used on my F-18 and :shock: wow ....

I can only imagine Aves in action
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ryoga wrote:Well, I can pretty much write Aves off my list. No online shops are willing to ship to my country :(

But I did receive my magic sculpt yesterday ... tried it out on my RM Colonial Viper and compared it to the Tamiya putty I used on my F-18 and :shock: wow ....

I can only imagine Aves in action
Try WASCO at www.taxidermy.com. They carry Aves and I believe ship worldwide.
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